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z1_micha · 07-10-2008, 12:28 PM

Hallo here i will show you my BMW M3 CSL whit a little bit changes

**motoyen** · 07-10-2008, 12:54 PM

OMG is that ever cool! A stripped out CSL! Thing must be mental fast. Ever take it to the Nurburgring?

Initial D.oug · 07-10-2008, 01:01 PM

more pics and you gotta post some of your Z1 as well!!

rene_e30m3 · 07-10-2008, 01:06 PM

Nice car! Is it a dedicated track car or do you use it on the road?
+1 Please show us the Z1
R.

woods · 07-10-2008, 04:06 PM

z1_micha · 07-11-2008, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by rene_e30m3

Nice car! Is it a dedicated track car or do you use it on the road?
+1 Please show us the Z1
R.

it is not only an dedicated track car but i use it more on the track

Pictures from my Z1 coming soon, promised

paulsrondeau · 07-11-2008, 07:01 PM

Unreal from what i see so far! Lets see some more pictures please asap, and some videos!!!

M635 · 07-11-2008, 08:19 PM

Wow a Z1. How rare are those?

...and lovely CSL!! Looks insanely good!

DS Rook · 07-11-2008, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by M635

Wow a Z1. How rare are those?

...and lovely CSL!! Looks insanely good!

IIRC there was a little over 12000 made.

M635 · 07-11-2008, 10:14 PM

Weren't they an epic failure though? Not as how they were built, but by the sales? I'm not too sure...

DS Rook · 07-11-2008, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by M635

Weren't they an epic failure though? Not as how they were built, but by the sales? I'm not too sure...

I believe they sold every one they made, it was just a pretty limited production car. built on the e30 chassis with 325 m20 running gear, belt driven doors that slip under the car when "opened", and plastic body. I think it was sort of a oddity at the time for sure, but I would love one. I have seen one in the UK with s50b32 e36 m3 evo running gear. WICKED!!!

Nick · 07-11-2008, 11:20 PM

The Z1 was a test-bed car, to develop the 'z-axle' rear suspension, which was then put onto E36's.

A Z1 was used in a Jackie Chan movie, I forget which one...has a nice shot of the doors operating, pretty slick.

MGuy · 07-12-2008, 07:38 PM

There were about 8,000 Z1's built. The lack of success is due to a combination of things - speculators buying them knowing they're a limited run (I've seen delivery-miles examples for sale on German sites for 50k Euros or more), and performance wasn't up to the standard people expected from a BMW after so many years of the E30.

It's a neat car though. All of the body panels can be removed and it can be driven with just the space frame (not sure how legal that would be, but it's safe). BMW envisioned owners buying multiple sets of body panels so the car could have the colour changed at will (they claimed it takes 40 min to swap all of the panels).

One with an s50 swap and upgraded suspension would be awesome, despite the loss of "originality."

They aren't too rare though. Check out the German car sale sites like Autoscout24 and Mobile.de and you'll see about 50 for sale at any one time, with prices ranging from less than 10k Euros to pushing six figures (though really only one of the 60 Alpina RLE versions of the car is potentially worth that kind of coin.)

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z1_micha newbie Name: Mick Joined: Dec 2007 From: Anhalt Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 Thanks: 0 0 Times in 0 Posts	my M3 csl Hallo here i will show you my BMW M3 CSL whit a little bit changes __________________ LG Micha

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motoyen M3 Less Name: Anthony Joined: Feb 2004 From: Vancouver Posts: 1,694 iTrader: 0 Thanks: 0 9 Times in 7 Posts motoyen's pictures	OMG is that ever cool! A stripped out CSL! Thing must be mental fast. Ever take it to the Nurburgring? __________________

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MGuy Senior Member Name: Jay Joined: Dec 2007 From: Ottawa Posts: 169 iTrader: 0 Thanks: 0 0 Times in 0 Posts	There were about 8,000 Z1's built. The lack of success is due to a combination of things - speculators buying them knowing they're a limited run (I've seen delivery-miles examples for sale on German sites for 50k Euros or more), and performance wasn't up to the standard people expected from a BMW after so many years of the E30. It's a neat car though. All of the body panels can be removed and it can be driven with just the space frame (not sure how legal that would be, but it's safe). BMW envisioned owners buying multiple sets of body panels so the car could have the colour changed at will (they claimed it takes 40 min to swap all of the panels). One with an s50 swap and upgraded suspension would be awesome, despite the loss of "originality." They aren't too rare though. Check out the German car sale sites like Autoscout24 and Mobile.de and you'll see about 50 for sale at any one time, with prices ranging from less than 10k Euros to pushing six figures (though really only one of the 60 Alpina RLE versions of the car is potentially worth that kind of coin.) __________________ Jay '88 325i Cabrio Zinno/black leather 130k km '86 M5 - Diamond black/black 180k km '84 M635CSi - Agate Green/nutria 95k km '88 735i - Euro - Luxor/black somwhere well north of 300k km

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Initial D.oug Senior Member Name: Mike Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,128 iTrader: 0 Thanks: 0 1 Time in 1 Post	more pics and you gotta post some of your Z1 as well!!

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rene_e30m3 Senior Member Supporting Member Joined: May 2004 From: West Vancouver, BC CANADA Posts: 412 iTrader: 0 Thanks: 0 0 Times in 0 Posts	Nice car! Is it a dedicated track car or do you use it on the road? +1 Please show us the Z1 R.

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M635 Senior Member Name: Gregory Joined: Dec 2007 From: Vancouver Posts: 1,016 iTrader: 0 Thanks: 0 3 Times in 3 Posts M635's pictures	Wow a Z1. How rare are those? ...and lovely CSL!! Looks insanely good!

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M635 Senior Member Name: Gregory Joined: Dec 2007 From: Vancouver Posts: 1,016 iTrader: 0 Thanks: 0 3 Times in 3 Posts M635's pictures	Weren't they an epic failure though? Not as how they were built, but by the sales? I'm not too sure...

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Nick Senior Member Name: Nick Joined: Dec 2004 From: Vancouver Posts: 191 iTrader: 0 Thanks: 0 1 Time in 1 Post Nick's pictures	The Z1 was a test-bed car, to develop the 'z-axle' rear suspension, which was then put onto E36's. A Z1 was used in a Jackie Chan movie, I forget which one...has a nice shot of the doors operating, pretty slick.

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