E28 M528i = new toy!

[Alpina Man]

Originally Posted by jh83 I find it amusing that you are the only person on this forum that is saying that this car does not exist. Does that mean that everyone else one this site (and other sites where this car is spoken of) are all gullible and stupid for believing in this car?? Also you are complaining that I posted a hand written document form an owner’s manual, what were you expecting??? This is an owner’s manual from 1983... A lot of information is hand written in owner’s manuals today so why do you expect something different way back then. And you can get the VIN number from that document. So do the search for yourself. I did it and it came up as a 528i, but I also did it for a known and very well documented M535i from a friend and it came up as a 520i from 1981, so I don’t know how accurate it is... but I am sure you will argue this point of how my friends car is not a genuine one or something like that. try this website Car Prices - Search Car Prices & Values - Red Book This is an Australian webiste similar to "kelly blue book" (www.kbb.com) i think Look at the listing for the third car from the top. Hope fully this information and the magazine article can provide a bit more insite for you. Also you are yet to provide me with an email address so I can send you this magazine article. Please do so. That way my burden of proof can be relieved and you can read for yourself that this is a genuine car. As for the burden of proof, yes it lies with me to prove it does exist and I have provided with some proof, such as an owner’s manual, my VIN #, the phone no for you to call and talk to someone yourself and I have a magazine article that I am more than willing to send you. It also lies with you to prove your claims that is does not exist and so far you have nothing... not even a single fellow BMW enthusiast. And remember you criteria for proof from an earlier post is some sort of "documentations, literature or any write up from BMW" so good luck producing that. Would you try this for an experiment? Go onto the European car club of Australia website and post a thread stating that this car does not exist. see what sort of response that you get. If you are supremely confident you are right then you should have nothing to worry about. Also I am curious to have the questions I asked answered... I have answered the questions you have asked of me, the same courtesy would be greatly appreciated. BTW your Alpina is just beautiful and deserves any award it gets... best I have ever seen.

No You haven't yet ansawer any question. I’m sorry man you can’t pull over my eyes, “show me the money”, I was sure of this but again check your car and let us know how many M parts originally came with your car that I should conceder your car as an M car, none, zilch, zero, nothing.

Rear spoiler, Hartge (early design)
Front spoiler, Not M (BMW Parts)
Seats, Not M (recaro of some kind)
Rims, not M (from e12 M535i)
Suspension has already replaced
Motor, 2.8 L like any other 2.8 L engine
Closter, non M
Gear knob, non M
Gear knob lather boot, non M
No molding over the wheel arches
No rear M apron
No side M skit
No front M spoiler
No M suspension

The list goes on and on and on, but I got to tell you are not a quitter, if they call a regular 528i and M528i in Australia then you have a big problem my friend. Because I could paint a chickadee and sale it to you guys as canary. I will be reach.

[jh83]

What i have provided to back up my claims that this is a genuine car:
1) owners original handbook
2) Vin #
3) Phone No. of BMW so you can call and quote my VIN
4) fellow 528i Motorsport divers
4) Australian car forums with others who own the same car
5) Car pricing websites so you can see what they are worth (see links below)
6) Magazine article (it is still waiting to be sent to you... need an email address)

it seems like you are having trouble with this... what else do you want???

as for your logic and list of things that are wrong with the car... what a joke!! you said that the rims are non-M rims but that they came from an e12 M535i... isnt that an M car???? i never said that the rims were unique to this car. if you assumed that, that is your problem. from the pictures that i have provided how on earth can you tell what suspension is on the car or that it has already been replaced?? do you have x-ray vision that works on pictures over the internet?? because that is the only way you could tell. put simply you are making this up.. you do not have a clue what suspension is on the car.

As for the front spoiler and seats please re-read the previous posts and then make comment.

I have never said that this has a special 2.8L engine. i have said that this car is more along the lines of the M535i in that is has the Motorsport suspension and cosmetic upgrade... i have never and do not claim it to have any M engine upgrades... please re-read (or even read for the first time) the previous posts because you are making alot of points that have already been explained.

Have a look and any early M car (pre '85) and they dont have rear/side skirts

This car is a 1983 BMW 528i Motorsport. You can look it up on these websites

www.redbook.com.au
(you can look it up for free)

Glass's Information Services
(you can do a vehicle search without it costing anything)

Also whay have you not sent me your email address so i can forward this magazine article???

You wanted websites and documentation... there it is.

Please let me point this out very clearly... again.
1) Australia does not call all its 528i's M528i's or 528i Motorsports
2) You can see listings for Used prices of these cars on the 2 websites above... do you think they are making that up??
3) i still have the magazine article waiting to send to you.

Also do you think i would really go to this much trouble for a person i will never meet and lives on the other side of the world if it wasnt a genuine car??

In your first post you wanted me to shed some light on this car with some docunemtation, websites or something that could give you more info on this car... and in my best efforts all i have received from you is nothing but arrogance and a lot of belittling, this is not really necessary if you want to gain knowledge and learn something. you said that you are not "bashing" my car... what do you call it than?? i would not go as far to say that you are asking questions as normally when someone asks a question, they then listen to the response... you have not done this at all. i expected more from a fellow BMW enthusiast who has been around them for more then 30 years.

If there is any other info you want... please make a list of it and i will try and get as many answers as i can for you

[Kalyon]

Jh83,

Sorry for the slow reply mate as i have been sick for a couple of days
I can't believe how far mr Alpina man has taken it.

First you question regarding modifications no my is dead standard M528i in looks except the e39 wheels i have on it i do have a 3.5 litre bottom end though

I am setting up a rhd turbo for it and at the moment doing a lot of r&d and taking a real good look of how i can do it real neatly as what i see around the world with pipes running everywhere does not look like oem etc.

Alpina man you must be joking right, i think because you have a mockup thats what we call non factory designated cars that wear all the goodies the limited production cars have, you seem to be taking it personally i think jh83 has had enough patience and provided you with enough information that if you had good will you would except it and walk away.

Still i i am still understanding regarding your cause and will try to explain again.

BMW motorsport does not have to produce the parts of a M car and i think that is where you are being confused.

This is my view BMW Australia asked Frank Gardner who was then running the BMW works team in Australia against other makes carrying the BMW Motorsport flag for BMW to create something special for the enthuisists so they can feel a little special over the the common slushbox 528i etc.


Maybe they wanted to celebrate there partnership with Gardner who knows and more to the point who cares as i only care about the end product that BMW has provided to me original from the factory i nor jh83 have put the M badges on our cars they were there from BMW.

M528i has,

• German Recaros
• Bilstien Sports Suspension
• Rear Spoiler thats Looks nice
• Front Spoiler that looks Aggresive
• Factory BMW Racing Stripes

These mods are enough for BMW to justify calling it a Mototsport inspired motor car after all all the Big word ///M stands for is Motorsport and the car was inspired by Frank Gardner an ex Formula 1 Driver who was working for BMW motorsport thats it mate no conspiracy going on here we are just driving a what BMW have blessed us with.

Is the BMW M528i a supercar no
Is it a M Tec kit no ( if it was i personally would not have purchased mine it as i believe they look to blocky).
Is it a True M5 with 37 RHd produced goodluck finding one anyway they are over exegerated look Alpina they were nearly pulling the power of the early M5 with a single cam and better low down torque and drivability etc.

All the oddbits you mentioned that are on the would i disagree no i would not all the better proof is in the pudding and all the better for it.

BMW give's us an excellent base cars in the sports versions whatever they are but the ///M don't mean shi* when you get blown away buy a honda civic at the track so in the end all that matters is how good of a car you have for the money and i peronally think the M528i is a bargain a m30, manual, bilstien shocks suspension,, german recaros,factory Motorsport racing stripes and badging that were there from the factory abs etc

There is nothing more i can add except just enjoy your cars as they are something special even our 520i slushbox had character and air about it i still miss that car but hey you cant keep them all

everybody take care and keep enjoying the ride

Kalyon

[Alpina Man]

Originally Posted by jh83 What i have provided to back up my claims that this is a genuine car: 1) owners original handbook 2) Vin # 3) Phone No. of BMW so you can call and quote my VIN 4) fellow 528i Motorsport divers 4) Australian car forums with others who own the same car 5) Car pricing websites so you can see what they are worth (see links below) 6) Magazine article (it is still waiting to be sent to you... need an email address) it seems like you are having trouble with this... what else do you want??? as for your logic and list of things that are wrong with the car... what a joke!! you said that the rims are non-M rims but that they came from an e12 M535i... isnt that an M car???? i never said that the rims were unique to this car. if you assumed that, that is your problem. from the pictures that i have provided how on earth can you tell what suspension is on the car or that it has already been replaced?? do you have x-ray vision that works on pictures over the internet?? because that is the only way you could tell. put simply you are making this up.. you do not have a clue what suspension is on the car. As for the front spoiler and seats please re-read the previous posts and then make comment. I have never said that this has a special 2.8L engine. i have said that this car is more along the lines of the M535i in that is has the Motorsport suspension and cosmetic upgrade... i have never and do not claim it to have any M engine upgrades... please re-read (or even read for the first time) the previous posts because you are making alot of points that have already been explained. Have a look and any early M car (pre '85) and they dont have rear/side skirts This car is a 1983 BMW 528i Motorsport. You can look it up on these websites www.redbook.com.au (you can look it up for free) Glass's Information Services (you can do a vehicle search without it costing anything) Also whay have you not sent me your email address so i can forward this magazine article??? You wanted websites and documentation... there it is. Please let me point this out very clearly... again. 1) Australia does not call all its 528i's M528i's or 528i Motorsports 2) You can see listings for Used prices of these cars on the 2 websites above... do you think they are making that up?? 3) i still have the magazine article waiting to send to you. Also do you think i would really go to this much trouble for a person i will never meet and lives on the other side of the world if it wasnt a genuine car?? In your first post you wanted me to shed some light on this car with some docunemtation, websites or something that could give you more info on this car... and in my best efforts all i have received from you is nothing but arrogance and a lot of belittling, this is not really necessary if you want to gain knowledge and learn something. you said that you are not "bashing" my car... what do you call it than?? i would not go as far to say that you are asking questions as normally when someone asks a question, they then listen to the response... you have not done this at all. i expected more from a fellow BMW enthusiast who has been around them for more then 30 years. If there is any other info you want... please make a list of it and i will try and get as many answers as i can for you

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Jh83,

Sorry for the slow reply mate as i have been sick for a couple of days
I can't believe how far mr Alpina man has taken it.

First you question regarding modifications no my is dead standard M528i in looks except the e39 wheels i have on it i do have a 3.5 litre bottom end though

I am setting up a rhd turbo for it and at the moment doing a lot of r&d and taking a real good look of how i can do it real neatly as what i see around the world with pipes running everywhere does not look like oem etc.

Alpina man you must be joking right, i think because you have a mockup thats what we call non factory designated cars that wear all the goodies the limited production cars have, you seem to be taking it personally i think jh83 has had enough patience and provided you with enough information that if you had good will you would except it and walk away.

Still i i am still understanding regarding your cause and will try to explain again.

BMW motorsport does not have to produce the parts of a M car and i think that is where you are being confused.

This is my view BMW Australia asked Frank Gardner who was then running the BMW works team in Australia against other makes carrying the BMW Motorsport flag for BMW to create something special for the enthuisists so they can feel a little special over the the common slushbox 528i etc.


Maybe they wanted to celebrate there partnership with Gardner who knows and more to the point who cares as i only care about the end product that BMW has provided to me original from the factory i nor jh83 have put the M badges on our cars they were there from BMW.

M528i has,

German Recaros
Bilstien Sports Suspension
Rear Spoiler thats Looks nice
Front Spoiler that looks Aggresive
Factory BMW Racing Stripes
These mods are enough for BMW to justify calling it a Mototsport inspired motor car after all all the Big word ///M stands for is Motorsport and the car was inspired by Frank Gardner an ex Formula 1 Driver who was working for BMW motorsport thats it mate no conspiracy going on here we are just driving a what BMW have blessed us with.

Is the BMW M528i a supercar no
Is it a M Tec kit no ( if it was i personally would not have purchased mine it as i believe they look to blocky).
Is it a True M5 with 37 RHd produced goodluck finding one anyway they are over exegerated look Alpina they were nearly pulling the power of the early M5 with a single cam and better low down torque and drivability etc.

All the oddbits you mentioned that are on the would i disagree no i would not all the better proof is in the pudding and all the better for it.

BMW give's us an excellent base cars in the sports versions whatever they are but the ///M don't mean shi* when you get blown away buy a honda civic at the track so in the end all that matters is how good of a car you have for the money and i peronally think the M528i is a bargain a m30, manual, bilstien shocks suspension,, german recaros,factory Motorsport racing stripes and badging that were there from the factory abs etc

There is nothing more i can add except just enjoy your cars as they are something special even our 520i slushbox had character and air about it i still miss that car but hey you cant keep them all

everybody take care and keep enjoying the ride



It is a 528i, not more then that, got it, don’t sugar coat it, in your case with verity of after market parts. End of story.

[Kalyon]

Listem Mate,

I aint sugar coating anything
As i said i don't have anything more to say and i hope your the only one in this forum with the attitude that you have.
yes it is a 528i so is a ***ing e28 m5 what is your problem if you were in Australia i would love to meet you freind then you would see if i look like the sugar coating kind of guy.
Enjoy your non factoy mockup and let the people be the judge

its midnight here and thanks to you i ain't signing off on a good note but hey it't not the first keyboard warrior i have had to deal with.

here is my name

Murat Mustafa Kalyon

[Alpina Man]

What kind of solid info have you guys provided that we can physically pin point that WE COULD SAY YES, BMW HAS MADE BUNCH OF 528i WITH M TECH OPTIONS THAT THEY CALL THEM M528I, JUST BUNCH OF NON SENCE ANECDOTAL PROOF, and LIKE HE SAID AND SHE SAID. THER SHOULD BE A RECORD SOME WHER IN BMW ARCHIVE, LIKE M535I. RECORDS WHICH WOULD TELL YOU HOW MANY OF THEM WERE MADE, HOW MANY WAS MADE FOR FAR EAST MARKET, HOW MANY FOR EURO MARKET AND THE TOTAL OF THE CARS MADE FROM SUCH DATE TO SUCH A DATE, BUT WE HAVEN’T SEEN THAT. And I could not find anything myself accept your posts all over internet

AT FIRST You SAID IN YOUR POSTS THAT A RACER CALLED FRACK BUILD THE CAR AND CALLED IT M528I, THEN YOU ARE CLAMING THAT BMW BUILD THE CAR AND CALLED IT M528I, WHICH ONE IS IT BMW OR FRANK?

Make up you mind, then you have said yours is one of a kind Australian M528i, then you show me a car selling site with bunch 528i for sale, again what is it a one of a kind car that only Frank made one or the racer had a shop and pumping out M528i.

Do you see my point here? Or I should go further.

It is a 528i, not more then that, got it, don’t sugar coat it, in your case with verity of assorted after market parts. End of story.

[jh83]

Alpina man,

Have you been reading what has been said? i am going to assume No because if you had, you would not have been asking so many silly and repeated questions. Frank Gardner was an ex-F1 and Le Mans (and various other forms of motorsport) driver that worked for the BMW racing team here in australia. BMW asked him to build a "special" 528i for the australian market. so he did and that is what we have as the M528i or 528i Motorsport. they were sold new through BMW dealerships. DO you understand???

1) Did you look up those websites that i gave you?? If you did you would have seen the listings for the car we are talking about. those websites are not "for sale" websites. what they showed were the 3 types of 528i that were available in australia... incase you missed it they are the 528i, 528i Executive and 528i Motorsport. This is very clearly shown on both those sites. Is that not proof that they exist??
2) have you spoken to BMW and quoted my chassis No. that i gave you?? i am guessing no.
3) have you given me your email address so i can send you this magazine article?? No you havent.

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT????????????????????????????

You said you want proof, we have the proof, but you need to do 1 or 2 things to varify it.
1) call BMW, i canot call them for you, or
2) Give me your email address so i can send you this article.

If you want to continue believing that we have usless mockups like yours then that is fine... but please do not make stupid comments on cars that you obveously know nothing about and are not prepared to listen/ see the evidence provided.

I have been asking for your email address for quite some time now, are you worried that this article is going to make you look stupid? the reason i havent posted it is because there is a 4.0MB limit on the PDF uploads. the PDF copy that i have is 5.83MB... can you understand why i need your email address to get it to you?? this would solve a lot of porblems.

and now all you have to say is that we are "sugar coating" our cars... is that the best you can do??

My patience is up, either send me your email address and i will send you this article or dont bother posting a reply. You do not have any desire to know more about these cars at all. so please go and play with your brilliantly fast alpina or your little mockup 525 and leave us to enjoy our porper Motorsport cars.

Kalyon

hi, Your car sounds like it will be a weapon once the turbo is set up. Do you know what sort of power it is making with just the 3.5 bottom end? I agree that in a bang for your buck setting our cars provide alot of bang. This magazine article that i have been going on about is from a 1985 Wheels magazine where the compare the M528i, Brock Commodore SS, Volvo 760 Turbo and a Saab Turbo. Let me know if you are interested in it and i can email you a copy, just need your email address.
well keep enjoying your car and i am keen to know how the turbo set up works out. keep me posted.
Cheers

James Hunt

[Alpina Man]

You guys are a good sport, I was just messing with you guys, I’ll be honest with you I am not sure about locally optioned cars, but I know some dealers, have sold call with their own brand options, for instance, there was bunch of e28 were sold in Japan which they call them Addition 5, apparently to boost the sales they creates this brand and a buzz that would give the customers feeling of buying something especial and different then a stuck e28.
As for the back up info there was non recorded info and that was because as your case it was done locally, however, thanks for the long conversations that kept you guys thinking of ways to explain your position. Good luck and enjoy your cars.

[Shocka]

Dont worry about it, the majority of people from Toronto are dicks.

[Lithium]

Shit fight Aside - I think it is a real nice ride - Makes mine look like like a gray toaster....

Nothing like a warm welcome to the site........

[peteb3]

T our Aussie friends, I suggest we ban "Alpina Man", he gives the rest of us a bad name.
His "internet" research does not make him a BMW expert!
We all apologize for the misrepresentation of a true Canadian BMW enthusiast.
We are not all dicks like he is.

[jh83]

hey lads

Well i figured that canadians are not like this guy... thankfully!

Too bad it is the idiots of the world that speak the loudest!!

I think this post is done and dusted now!

Cheers

[Alpina Man]

Listen to yourself, did you read the message between the lines, just wanted to finish this arguments in a good note, get it.

"Too bad it is the idiots of the world that speak the loudest!!"

I believe It is other way around, No matter what I said you would come up with another reason to continue his pointless arguments.


But shame on you Canadian guys that so fast got on the top of the issue (The faker) and bad mouthing me, if you guys had any thing to contribute you should have done that earlier.
I am not making any body look bad, you make yourself look bad because that all you guys are good at bad mouthing others.
We were talking about car and we stay in that dissection, I did not attack anyone personally by calling names but all of you did, so again shame on you, you better join a gossip forum instead of BMW forum.

[Shocka]

Originally Posted by Alpina Man You guys are a good sport, I was just messing with you guys, I’ll be honest with you I am not sure about locally optioned cars, but I know some dealers, have sold call with their own brand options, for instance, there was bunch of e28 were sold in Japan which they call them Addition 5, apparently to boost the sales they creates this brand and a buzz that would give the customers feeling of buying something especial and different then a stuck e28. As for the back up info there was non recorded info and that was because as your case it was done locally, however, thanks for the long conversations that kept you guys thinking of ways to explain your position. Good luck and enjoy your cars.

Your just so versed in Bmw its staggering. Btw its Edition 5. They didnt add 5 to anything. Then u talk about it not being about the person just the car right?, then you refer to him as a faker. Your an idiot. Everyone sees it but you, its unfortunate, not for us. But for you.

[jh83]

Originally Posted by Alpina Man Listen to yourself, did you read the message between the lines, just wanted to finish this arguments in a good note, get it. I believe It is other way around, No matter what I said you would come up with another reason to continue his pointless arguments. But shame on you Canadian guys that so fast got on the top of the issue (The faker) and bad mouthing me, if you guys had any thing to contribute you should have done that earlier. I am not making any body look bad, you make yourself look bad because that all you guys are good at bad mouthing others. We were talking about car and we stay in that dissection, I did not attack anyone personally by calling names but all of you did, so again shame on you, you better join a gossip forum instead of BMW forum.

So you wanted to end an argument on a good note... this was not meant to be an arguement. All i wanted to do was post up some pictures of a new car that i had purchased. I started this POST (not arguement) on a good note and it was going nicely until you joined in. YOU are the one that brought it down. Dont blame others for that and dont pretend to take the moral high ground now.

Let me quote you again "I’ll be honest with you I am not sure about locally optioned cars" so you admitting that you were trying to tell us all something that you know nothing about??? And you have the nerve to call me the faker!!